The Art of Negotiation: Warcraft Style


There are two sides to every deal.  The buyer and the seller.  Seems simple enough, doesn't it?   You have the buyer who wants to obtain something for the least amount of resources (gold,  time,  effort).  You have the seller that wants to get the most resources for the item/time they are offering.

I added gold,  time and effort into the equation because in the negotiations of World of Warcraft all three become commodities.   Your time and effort can easily replace gold simply from questing or running raids/instances.   Effort is just how much you will go somewhere to obtain what you want from the other person.

I ran into this yesterday as I was in negotiations to purchase another guild.  I needed one as a hiding place for a couple of my up and coming toons.   It was a 4 slot guild that had 'some items' still in the bank.   Not going into specifics the seller offered in general chat the guild for x amount of gold.

There are certain questions I always ask when purchasing the guild.

1)   What is the name of the guild (don't really like inappropriate names for guilds I own)
2)    Does anyone else still belong?  (This is important because there have been some guilds that were sold
       Without other members knowing until they logged out the next day.)
3)    What level guild is it?   (The higher the level of the guild the more lucrative that the benefits can be)
4)    What items still exist in the guild bank (if they are good items you can easily recoup your investment)

So I offered what I considered a fair price opening up the negotiations.  Generally, I half the price that they offer unless it is an extremely good opening salvo.   They counter offered and then I accepted at about 75% of the original price they wanted.  Win/Win right?

So I logged over to my toon that would take over the guild I contacted the seller.  After a delay they informed me that someone had offered full price.   Disappointed that the seller didn't keep his word as far as the deal for a measly couple of gold I just thanked him and went my merry way.

But here is the thing to keep in mind.   I have said it many times that your word is your bond.  It may seem very fleeting when dealing with online gaming.  Players do not have the direct attachment to their toons that they have to their real lives.   If I make a deal with someone, then I expect them to keep up with them.  That expectation goes both ways.  I have sold items that others came along quickly and offered me twice as much gold.  I had to tell them the item was sold simply because my word was more valuable to me than ethereal gold.

I'm also someone who believes in Karma.  If you do good things then good things will happen to you.  If you do things that are questionable, then the questionable things will occur.  This may seem like an old concept, but it is one that has ruled both my gaming and my real world life for years.

So the moral of this little story?   There really isn't any.  Not everything needs a moral,  unless you want to add one of your own.  

Good Luck and Good Profit Hunting

Cooking For Fun and Profit
Cycle of Life
Road to WOD:   Finish Your Chores
Some Day I Will Learn
Garrosh Is My Friend
You Lost That Alpha Feeling
Too Many Coins On My Hand
We All Make Mistrakes
World Without The Auction House
Not So Smart Loot




Cooking For Fun and Profit


The basic sales techniques to make gold in Warcraft is crafted through either Jewelcrafting,  Leatherworking,  Blacksmithing, Inscription or even the Tirion of professions,  Engineering.

But many gold goblins forget that you can make a lot of gold, leveling and selling cooking supplies.  Middle level buff food as well as max level raiding food was making gold by the bucketfuls for many players.  It took time,  supplies and some farming obtain enough points with all of the different Halfhill residents to get the best recipes.

We already have rumblings that there will be similar gold making strategies with cooking during the WOD expansion.  There is already some ideas of just what raw ingredients will be needed and combined for in demand recipes.

So that's the good news.  The bad news?   Remember how you have never leveled fishing on any of your toons?   From the alpha notes and others who have played the game,  fishing is going to be heavily linked to your cooking.  Again the same happened with the Mists of Pandaria expansion..  It was possible to level your cooking without needing a high level fisher,  but it became that much more expensive.  

The other not so fun news is that many of the already revealed recipes have components that are obtained via Herbalism.  Most players who have inscription have an herbalist running around grasspicking,  but the others gold goblins abandoned Herbalism to level a more profitable profession.  

Warlords of Draenor are lining up to be a different headed beast when it comes to making gold.  Less mass production and more selective production of items.  If this trend continues, then a skilled gold goblin will need to learn how to mix and max professions in their toon army to keep profit margins high.

Still having 3 plus months of Pandaland exploration to go there is plenty of time to maximize your secondary professions on multiple toons.  Fishing and cooking could easily become the hidden goldmine that gold goblins exploit to their advantage.

Good Luck and Good Profit Hunting.

Cycle of Life
Road to WOD:   Finish Your Chores
Some Day I Will Learn
Garrosh Is My Friend
You Lost That Alpha Feeling
Too Many Coins On My Hand
We All Make Mistrakes
World Without The Auction House
Not So Smart Loot
It Was A Great Day
WOD:  Prepping For The Storm
Special Brand Of Stupid
Silver And Gold Have I None








Cycle of Life


When Blizzard announced during the Wrath of the Lich king expansion that there would be motorcycles to be crafted a collective squeal of glee passed along the frozen tundra.

Engineering, who had been the red headed step child of warcraft professions received a big boost in crafting proficiency.  Players could order to have the Mechano-hog or Mekgineer's Chopper crafted for them.  I still keep one of these on the AH for the occasional sale.

Well, if you recently just crawled from under your tax deadlines and read on MMO-champion you saw that Blizzard has sanctioned Paul Junior Designs to make two different types of choppers.  One for the Alliance and one for the Horde.   The contest has stated that whichever design wins, then that bike will be put into the game for the faction.

This could easily be a good thing for players who feel left out.  Older mounts become forgotten if they are out of the limelight.  The hogs that are currently available are still relatively expensive to craft and purchase.  Ranging from 16k to 25k many players who look at seeing these the price tag and get some type of sticker shock.

So I have already started to collect extra materials to be able to craft more of these when the demand starts to pick up.   If you have forgotten the materials you need to collect:

12 Titansteel
40 Handful of Colbalt bolts
2   Artic Fur

The rest of the items are BOP in the K3 port in Storm Peaks area.   Don't forget that some of these BOP parts can be skinned from Flame Leviathan if you have an engineer at the party.

Titansteel no longer as a transmute timer attached so it can be crafted as long as you have the materials.  To make the Titansteel you need

3 Titanium Bars
1 Eternal Fire
1 Eternal Earth
1 Eternal Shadow

The most difficult item to obtain from this are the Eternal Fires.  If you have some extra Frozen Orbs you can purchase them from Frozo the Rennowned in Dalaran.  Farming them is also possible with multiple areas having mobs that they can be farmed.   Here is an article written that shows some good points as well as tips on farming these elements.   Here

If for some reason you do not have the pattern yet, then it also becomes easy to obtain.  Just have your engineer to profession level 450.  Grind up your Horde Expedition  reputation to exalted and then purchase the pattern.  Basically, you will be finishing the quests that are in the Wrath of the Lich King area and then working through the dailies surrounding the entire continent.  Remember the word easy is very questionable from time to time.

If you don't want to go through all of these static,  you can find a friend who has the pattern and split the profits with them.  They might have even forgotten they have the pattern and don't want to take the chance on crafting one unless someone else puts up the money.

The World of Warcraft version of hogs can be an exciting item to sell.  Hopefully this new Blizzard contest will add some noise about older mounts that can be crafted.  Adding more of that good good gold right into our greedy goblin hands.

If you want to see the video for the first installment of the Azerothian Choppers series here it is

 link

Good Luck and Good Biking

Road to WOD:   Finish Your Chores
Some Day I Will Learn
Garrosh Is My Friend
You Lost That Alpha Feeling
Too Many Coins On My Hand
We All Make Mistrakes
World Without The Auction House
Not So Smart Loot
It Was A Great Day
WOD:  Prepping For The Storm
Special Brand Of Stupid
Silver And Gold Have I None
Worth What Someone Will Pay For It






Road to WOD: Finish Your Chores



One of the most difficult things to do is to keep motivated.  Wait,  I think I've said that over and over again.  You probably get the idea that the next 3-4 months will be a little bit more of a drag for the average player.  Many players will be logging on less and less during the week as the Mists of Pandaria expansion gets a little bit less shine on the content.

Getting prepped for the next expansion, Warlords of Draenor, can add a little bit of purpose to your gaming life.  One of the prep items is your long abandoned farm in Halfhill.

You remember Halfhill?   The place that was o so awesome at the beginning of MOP?   Finishing your daily runs to open up new land to farm.  Yes,  that's right World of Warcraft had become World of Farm Craft.

So why should these plots of land become important in your future setup during Warlords of Draenor?  One item that will continually be able to be made are the Motes of Harmony.  Right now most players have a stockpile of these things in their inventory.  Turning them in every so often for cash and prizes from the different vendor.  I spend many of them on the Black and White Trillium ore for crafting purposes.   Come WOD this won't be as important.  Except that material could easily become much more scarce come WOD.

Look at the logic.  We know that there are massive changes coming with WOD when it comes to gathering.  No longer will players be needing to go to older expansion zones to gather items.  This could easily mean that items such as Trillium ore and herbs become that much more valuable.

The other thing to look at is your own crafting needs.   Engineering has received a long term blessing because they have pets that can be crafted.  Right now they are much more expensive due to the length of time to craft (Jard's Peculiar Energy Source) and many people not continuing to craft these during the next expansion.  Older crafting pets can be a good source of income with the next expansion.  For 10 minutes of work a day (farming your crops,  replanting) and then finishing your daily you could easily next a large amount of coin.

Other professions might not be as lucky when it comes to pets, but they still have opportunities.  Simply just flipping purchased ore and herbs on the Auction House can add more money into your coffers.   Where the main profit making of these items might not always be available,  alternative options of selling can add much more profit into your bank.

Many players will just start with a clean slate when the WOD expansion opens its doors.  Taking advantage of your knowledge and your preparation can give you that gold making advantage that others won't have.

Good Luck and Good Profit Hunting

Some Day I Will Learn
Garrosh Is My Friend
You Lost That Alpha Feeling
Too Many Coins On My Hand
We All Make Mistrakes
World Without The Auction House
Not So Smart Loot
It Was A Great Day
WOD:  Prepping For The Storm
Special Brand Of Stupid
Silver And Gold Have I None
Worth What Someone Will Pay For It


Some Day I Will Learn


Mommar here.

Another Tuesday has come and gone,  resetting the loot tables for Garrosh runs as well as world bosses.  With the change in the most recent hotfix that made world bosses taggable by everyone celestial runs have become a lot easier.  Running in there,  tagging an active mob that players are already killing and getting credit (along with your world famous Bag o' Gold) makes running 7 players through the grinder that much quicker.

After the success of adding more gold (and the occasional piece of gear) to my alts I then look to tackle the wonders that if flex 4.  Having said it many times I like to get my flex 4 runs done early in the week simply because the better players during this time and my chances of success are that much better.

So I popped open the Oqueue extension and watched the filling of run requests.  Words like 'quick' 'easy' 'no noobs' (my personal favorite) flash through each group loading up.  Usually I ignore most of these simply because they rarely are quick and if you only have 3 players in your group how do you really know it will be quick and easy?  To borrow a line from a favorite movie of mine "... Quick and easy is how you bake a cake,  no run a multi-million dollar business such as ours ".

I queued up for a couple of seemingly interesting groups forming.  They were listed as being run by 10/14H (shorthand for 10 of 14 bosses down in heroic) and waited to see if I got invited to the dance.   Getting my magic golden ticket I was ready to go.  I bring my own food and go and repair before I even queue.  Similar to my views on queuing for groups on the Timeless Isle (be on the island,  be ready to go, don't expect summons) etc.

After finishing off Garrosh and receiving my bag of nothing I logged onto my Hunter to see if she wouldn't be as successful.  Being a Hunter generally I get chosen to run belts on Seigecrafter and end up killing the engineer for the Garrosh kill.  Luckily, there was another hunter that volunteered to go.  Both Seigecrafter and the Bugs went down pretty easily.  Then it was time for the main event.  Even the trash between the bugs and the Garrosh went down pretty easily.

Having high hopes that this would be a 1 shot kill we got set up.  Lately the big strategy is to stack up on the spot just in front of Garrosh and kill the weapon as it pops.  Seems to make things a lot easier because of less required running around and more DPS on the boss.  But the RL decided that we needed to dance for the run.

First attempt we died pretty quickly.  Second attempt we made it a little bit further and then the tirades began.  Players blaming tanks,  tank blaming healers and my little 170k dps sitting there deciding if it was time to call it a night and try the next day.

But being a little bit stubborn I stuck it out and we went at it with 11 people.  Now generally the sweet spot I have seen is 13-14 players (or a full 25 grouping) when it comes to being successful.   After the fourth attempt being a complete and utter failure I decided it was time to retire from the group and check on some auctions.  Politely I thanked them for the attempts and went on my merry way.

Moral of the story?   Even heroically attuned players are not always successful.  Maybe I should have gone with the quick and easy cake.   mmmm Cake.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Garrosh Is My Friend
You Lost That Alpha Feeling
Too Many Coins On My Hand
We All Make Mistrakes
World Without The Auction House
Not So Smart Loot
It Was A Great Day
WOD:  Prepping For The Storm
Special Brand Of Stupid
Silver And Gold Have I None
Worth What Someone Will Pay For It

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